One idea would be to reserve three letter names for elegans and let
everyone else go wild with names of the form: abcdefghi-n. The
choice of using Cbr-unc-4 would still be open.
My main motivation was having unique names and not hurting the C.
elegans nomenclature.
Paul
On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 03:06 PM, Eric Haag wrote:
Wow, so many good points made. I must retreat! In fact,
there are many cases along the lines of what David describes:
briggsae has two nearly identical but widely separated lin-12
duplicates (Dave Rudel's work, verified by the genome project). One
is in the syntenic place, but the other one is off by itself. And as
we heard in LA, there is no clear fog-2 orthologue, but many FTR genes
in both species. How do we handle these? And this is clearly just
the tip of the iceberg--God forbid someone tack nuclear hormone
receptors or serpentine proteins.
But what should I do in this hypothetical (and hoped-for) case: I get
a mutant that cleanly masculinizes XX briggsae animals, and it
doesn't map to a known Tra or Sdc gene. What do I call it? I think
we all agree that it should be named Cb- or Cbr-xyz-n. Following Ron
and David's suggestion, I might make up a new name, "mas-1," for
"masculinized" Then I never have to change the
name, and that is great. But I live with the fact that it sounds
like it ought to have a different function than the Cb-tra homologues
with the same phenotype. We don't do this sort of mixing of names
within a class in elegans (at least not on purpose), and it really
helps.
This brings me to two wildly divergent options: either abandon
acknowledgement of homology with elegans, or make it the central
organizing principle. With the history and utility of the elegans
names, I hate to see them tossed. But perhaps it is better to have no
expectation of naming similarity between species than have it be
unreliable (as Ron pointed out).
Given that, I'm willing to consider the idea of parallel naming--one
specifically relative to elegans, another independent. We do need to
chew on the practicality of this, though. Do we really want to have
to look at a correspondence table to see what a gene does? If we
collectively feel it's best, I'm OK with it. If we do have a
species-specific nomenclature, then for sequenced genomes might we
consider getting out of phenotypic descriptors altogether and
adopting a purely physical map-based system, using the gene models in
wormbase as the guide? This creates totally nonintuitive names, but
it's internally consistent, is effectively already done for us in
briggsae, and doesn't lead to false similarities or dissimilarities in
relation to elegans. We'll also never run out of classes, because
there won't be any.
Is the baby still in the bathtub?
Eric
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